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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 29, 2011 10:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Donna Songs

It's been a while since I've read or heard about Zataomm (how's that for an odd acronym, eh? See? It even looks like a perfect word for the time period and the ethos you so aptly describe...had to read that damn book for at least two different classes in HS/College).

Frankly, I have to agree with DMax on the whole cult-esque image that Sunrise always gave me...yuck. And I actually think BKid hit the nail on the head: it was a path untaken for the DEAD, but they started down the path, for sure, and that in part is what led me to disapprove of them more and more in the late 70s (BlfofAllah, Disco for another path partially taken). I know it can be turned around to "but they just responded to the changing times, sampling this, sampling that" and to which I add "double yuck".

It was the rejection of such that drew me to them; you carry this "receptive to the times" too far and you end up singing "We built this city..." and anyone that doesn't throw up when they hear that needs serious help. Or lethal injection.

Rant over.

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Poster: bkidwell Date: Jul 29, 2011 10:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: We built this city on artistic disasters

One of the most shocking discoveries of my life was learning that there was a connection between "We Built This City" - a song so awful that even my pre-adolescent, Top 40 radio listening self hated it - and the creators of "Surrealistic Pillow." As a young person getting into the GD and related music, I had no reason to suspect there was any connection between the entities "Starship" and "Jefferson Airplane" and I recall that I didn't believe it the first time someone told me - I thought they were trying to hoax me until published references were produced.

Things can go the other way, too, though - after all, where would we be if Bob Dylan had never decided to plug in, or if the Beatles had stayed with their 1963 sound and style?

I know you aren't a fan of the later styles explored by the band, but I don't think they were usually a result of the band trying to sell out to achieve popularity - maybe some of the production used in the studio albums fits that description, but I don't hear much of the songwriting in that way. "Sunrise" is kind of an unusual song for the band since it wasn't written by their usual composers.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 29, 2011 11:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: We built this city on artistic disasters

I still refuse to believe it. I think there were some personnal changes, and I believe the rest had their brains replaced by aliens. Hence the name change to Starship.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 29, 2011 10:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Donna Songs

you kids get off my lawn...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 30, 2011 6:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Donna Songs

Off my fucking Forum?

Well, of course, I actually got to liking some of them...the ones with...no, not gonna do it.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 29, 2011 10:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Donna Songs

You had it assigned? Geez, everyone I knew read it on their own while avoiding doing the assigned reading! I'm sure I'd have hated it if it was assigned. It was more a Guy Thing, anyway, what with having to do with motorcycles. Well, I guess you were in SF, so your high school teachers were trying to be hip. Now that's a way to ruin a book.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 30, 2011 6:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Donna Songs

I actually liked it later on...after the effect wore off, but more as a reminder of the time and place. I was NOT a "reader" when young. I never sat still, to have time to do it. Once I became "old", seriously, I had a LOT of catching up to do...I was very much of the "experiential school" of things, and it in fact very much bothered me to find out the band members were, in effect, "book snobs" (Jerry's famous comments about Brent, etc).

I detest people like that.